Canadian Bel air

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Canadian Bel air

Postby Rare one » Tue Oct 30, 2012 7:23 pm

Hi there

This would be my first post on this fourm and I am glad I found this site!

I am from London Ontario Canada and I am wondering if anybody on this site has seen or heard about the Canadain Built and sold Base model Bel air B body cars?

I ask becasue I own a 78 4dr sedan Bel Air and there is like no information about them on the net.

Only has 3 options; Full wheel covers, AM radio and rear forced air defroster!

I have removed the full wheel covers and added dog dish hub caps, love the look! Any info or stories and or chit chat would be cool, thanks
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Postby rabidmadman » Sun Nov 04, 2012 6:24 pm

Nice man, I heard about them, and I've seen a picture of a canadian 80's bel air. They are basically the equivalent of an Impala minus the bel air logo on the C pillar. Is there anything exclusive to the Bel Air besides the emblem that's not on the Impala or the Caprice? It's definitely a rare care though, probably one of few on the road today I'd bet. Post pictures!
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Postby Rare one » Sun Nov 04, 2012 6:56 pm

Hi there

I really dont know what the difference would be between a 78 bel air or a 78 impala with no options? My car has the Bel Air emblems on the back quarters by the marker lights! and a small rectangle plaque on the dash!

I cannot figure out any info about them and i also dont know how to post pics!
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Postby rabidmadman » Sun Nov 04, 2012 7:12 pm

You can host pictures on a social networking site if you want or you can host images on an image hosting service such as imgur or imageshack. I personally host images on my facebook

IF you have facebook or an image hosting service, right click the image, click copy image location get the link and tag it this way.


[img]image%20link%20goes%20here[/img]


In my case my image link is this: http://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-a ... 2731_n.jpg


Here is a picture of the hurricane sandy aftermath near my families home.

and tagged it looks like this

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Postby Rare one » Sun Nov 04, 2012 7:19 pm

Ok here is a pic [img]http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=556697534427&set=a.556697429637.88227.290603579&type=3&src=http%3A%2F%2Fsphotos-a.ak.fbcdn.net%2Fhphotos-ak-prn1%2F20660_556697534427_8328148_n.jpg&size=604%2C453

this is when I first got it back in 2010![/img]
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Postby rabidmadman » Sun Nov 04, 2012 7:45 pm

That didn't work because you didn't link to the image. Open the image in your album and then press F5. Then right click the picture again and it will get you a link with a ".jpg" at the end

Notice my link has a .jpg at the end (that is the file extension for a photo) Your link needs to have that or none of us will be able to see it. Try that again with the right link.
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Postby rabidmadman » Sun Nov 04, 2012 7:51 pm

I fixed your link for you here it is

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And this is awesome, looks great. Does it have the Line 6 with a 3 speed? I still can't imagine driving my car with a line 6, but for some reason I would love to own a b-body with a line6.

A key difference I immediately notice is those tail lights. The middle light on all the american cars I"ve seen has been red. Perhaps that's a Canadian option?

I personally like the 77-79 B-body's more aesthetically. The sheet metal is thicker, and the front clips are metal rather than fiberglass like that of the 80-90 model years. The bumpers and the grills on those are flashier as well.
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Postby Rare one » Sun Nov 04, 2012 7:55 pm

Right on thanks! Yeah now I have done so many things to it since I have had it. These cars are a joy to work on and now it wears dog dish caps and tinted windows.
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Postby rabidmadman » Sun Nov 04, 2012 8:00 pm

Sweet, I am looking for a set of dog dish caps, but I do not want to pay $150 for the set on eBay. I currently have corvette style rally wheels on my Caprice. They are not original 70's wheels, since they didn't come in a 5x5 bolt pattern. I haven't seen many police package owners put rally wheels on their cars, so I am probably one of few but who knows. Anyway, once the tires wear out, Im going back to the black steel wheel and I want to find dog dish caps like the one in 'Colors' or 'To Live and Die in LA'
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Postby Rare one » Sun Nov 04, 2012 8:14 pm

Yeah Inline six engine and TH350 trans not the TH200! I have always wondered if the tail lights were specific to the Bel Air model just like in the 60's kinda but I really cannot say! There is like no info on these candian only built cars and I would love to get my hands on any info.

The inline six engine is cool, good on gas and not to bad for power! I have it running awsome and all factory underhood components are intact.

Yes I deffinatly agree that the 1977-79 cars are much better! I would love to find a 2 door 78 Bel Air with the LM1 350, 3.08 rear gear with posi, F-41, and no A/C. Since my car was optioned with the full wheel cover option my wheels are painted black from the factory, they should be body colour!
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Postby rabidmadman » Sun Nov 04, 2012 9:27 pm

I have the successor to the LM1 in my car, the L05. Prior to that I had the LG4 which was the same thing as the LG3 that was offered in your car, but with a 4 barrel carburetor. Honestly, the L05 is a major difference relative to the LG4. The LM1 would be a major upgrade, but the line six is cool just because it's rare. I imagine it's not too great on power, but decent on gas. I think the power rating on it is about 110 Horse and 190 torque if I am not mistaken, which is about 100 less in each category than my L05. I am not sure if I would be happy compromising power for gas mileage, abut Ideally, I'd love to have both like you said. I'd love to mess around with an L6 though. I heard some L6 cars came with a 3 speed manual on the column, which is what I thought you might have. That'd be even more rare. Post a picture of your engine, I'm curious to see what they look like in a Caprice.

Unrelated, but I've been reading about a guy who converted his chrysler 318 to run on hydrogen/gasoline. He was getting 25 mpg supposedly with a motor strictly meant to get 11-13 mpg. I can't imagine getting 25 mpg in my car while keeping the same power. What kind of mpg or kmpg do you get with the L6?

Also, I'm not sure if civillian cars came with body color wheels at all. I think that was a fleet only option, but you can always paint them body color if you want. It would look great, I thought about doing that with mine when the time comes.
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Postby Rare one » Mon Nov 05, 2012 5:34 pm

As far as I know and from what I can tell there was no factory installed manual transmissions offered in any 1977-90 GM B body cars! But I have this gut feeling that a handful were produced with the 3 speed either on the column or floor mounted! Maybe in iraq or saudi arabia!

I see no provisions for any manual trans components, but I do however see that there is the 2 holes in the driver side frame by the firewall where the z bar bracket would bolt to!!! Makes me wonder!

I will take some pics of my engine bay asap and post em! I have done so many small improvements to this car since I have had it! I just finished removing and installing my whole heater box assembly to reseal the firewall to heater box seal.

Another memeber on another site said there was a TSB released on 1977 and 78 none A/C Oshawa built cars that had firewall water leaks!

I pulled a complete heater box and control panel out of a 1984 caprice classic that was in the local wreking yard! needles to say its way better than my original one with more features and better operational performance :)

I have seen another 78 bel air in my area and it has no options what so ever and it has body coloured steel wheels and the car is gray! Its cool with a unique block off style trim panel where the radio would normally be.

The car has an 80 liter tank and I can get 450km to a tank in the city and just over 500 on the highway doing about 110, 115 km. Sorry for my metric measurements lol.

This is some ggod bench racing and I really like that I have found a site where I can share my love for these great automobiles!
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Postby rabidmadman » Mon Nov 05, 2012 9:20 pm

450km for 80 liters? Are you sure? That's roughly 13 miles per gallon. I get about 14.5-15 mpg around town with my 350. I would think the L6 would be more economical, but maybe I'm wrong. Either way, it's cool. I saw a picture of an Impala built in the Netherlands that had a 3 speed on the column, so they do exist, but probably not anymore.
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Postby theholycow » Tue Nov 06, 2012 5:00 am

rabidmadman wrote:I personally like the 77-79 B-body's more aesthetically. The sheet metal is thicker, and the front clips are metal rather than fiberglass like that of the 80-90 model years. The bumpers and the grills on those are flashier as well.

I can't speak to the 77-79 but my 80 has no fiberglass, just steel and plastic.

On manual transmissions: I saw the 3 speed column shift in a service manual, but I searched high and low and couldn't find any record of one ever being built.

On posting photos: http://Picturehoster.info or http://Photobucket.com tend to be the most convenient because they generate the [IMG] code for you, you just paste the whole thing...no right-clicking to find the URL of the photo itself, etc.

On fuel economy: You really can't measure it by saying what size tank you have and how far you go. You have to record distance driven and actual amount of fuel pumped.

I like those wheelcovers, and I like the great condition of the paint, body, bumper, etc.
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Postby Rare one » Thu Dec 06, 2012 6:44 pm

Yeah its a really great car! I am working on getting mkore pics up so we can make this a hot topic on this fourm!

The only thing that really bothers me about the car is the interior creaks and rattles over bumps and when its cold its even worse!

I try and remove and fit components better but something about the way the body moves in relation to the frame I just cant duplicate lol
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